NO ! To Liverpool In Champions League 2005/2006

[NoiToLiverpool]

I cannot be the only football fan NOT a supporter of Liverpool FC to be fed up with the powerful media campaign to get the club into next seasons Champions League.
Liverpool FC have a unique relationship with the media whereby in comparison with other clubs their successes are celebrated & hyped on a vastly higher scale & any failings are treated with comparitive kid gloves. With Liverpool FC there is NEVER a sense of perspective.
When previously in the history of the game have rules been changed retrospectively ?
Answer …. NEVER !!
In principle I believe a team should have the opportunity to defend a trophy won but as the rules currently don't allow for it then TOUGH LUCK !!
If there is a unanimous belief that the rules are flawed then as is normal, change them going forward.

Its hard to sympathise with Liverpool when it could be argued they were extremely fortunate to have been in this season's Champions League having finished a mammoth 30 pts behind previous Premiership Champions Arsenal.
In this Premiership Season they have amazingly finished a whopping 37 pts behind Premiership Champions Chelsea. Liverpool FC lost a staggering 14 matches in the Premiership this season (Arsenal FC have lost 14 matches in the last 5 seasons !) and lost out on Champions League qualification to Everton a team who came 17th the previous season & this season sold their Superstar player & their next best player whilst operating on a shoestring budget.
It is interesting Sepp Blatter of FIFA is supporting a rule change to include Liverpool FC in next season's Champions League despite his instigation of a rule change that the holders of the World Cup do NOT now have automatic qualification into the next World Cup Finals.
If Brazil fail to qualify in the South American section for entry to the 2006 World Cup then there will be no rule change to include Brazil in those finals.
In the Olympic Games, Champions don't have automatic qualification into the next Olympic games.
If an American Olympic Champion is injured at the time of their Olympic trials then its tough luck & they are not entered.

The Daily Mail is running a vociferous campaign to get Liverpool FC into next seasons Champions League whereby they want readers to email championing Liverpool's cause to……

Info@uefa.com also sending a copy to liverpool@dailymail.co.uk

Fans of Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton & Manchester United I ask you ………

If it was your club in Liverpool's position, do you honestly believe the media would be so passionate & vociferous in your club's cause ? NO!! I don't think so !!

Arsenal & Everton fans should remember that they were denied in the late 1980's a season each of participation in the European Cup due to the conduct of Liverpool fans at Heysel in 1985.

I strongly urge fans of the above clubs to email the above email addresses & say a big NO ! NO ! to Liverpool FC. Also urge friends/other fans to do the same !
It is very important for them to realise that there is NOT a unanimous backing in England to Liverpool’s quest to be included in next season’s Champions League.

Many thanks !!

[YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE1]

Liverpool FC have a unique relationship with the media whereby in comparison with other clubs their successes are celebrated & hyped on a vastly higher scale & any failings are treated with comparitive kid gloves.

NAR MATE WE DON'T HAVE SUCH A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MEDIA BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A LONDON CLUB AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FANS NATION-WIDE TO SATISFY THE NESWPAPER'S QUOTA - THEY WANT TO SELL AS MANY PAPERS AS THEY CAN AND WRITING ABOUT LIVERPOOL ISN'T GOING TO MAKE A CHELSKI FAND OR ARSENAL FAN PICK IT UP.

BUT THERE'S BAISED TOWARDS SUCCESSFUL CLUBS AND THOSE DOWN SOUTH.

ALSO, NEWSPAPERS LIKE THE S*N WROTE LIES ABOUT LIVERPOOL FANS AFTER THE EVENTS AT HILLSBROUGH; LIKE THEY'D ROBBED THE DEAD AND ****ED ON THEM FOR A LAUGH.

[NoiToLiverpool]

You must be joking regarding the amount of Liverpool fans in the country. Due to their dominance in the 70's & 80's a whole generation of fans who never have travelled north of Watford wear Liverpool shirts & are 'passionate' fans ! A substantial % of Liverpool season ticketholders are from outside of the North West.
With exception of the Sun's reprting on Hillsborough, the media today & in the past have been sweeter to Liverpool than any other team. If Houllier had managed any other club as poorly as he managed Liverpool he would have been hounded out of the job much sooner.

[YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE1]

Well Yer The Kop Is Full Of Paki's And Asians, But I Disagree With Your Comment On Liverpool And The Media, Liverpool Fans Were Sterotyped For Years After The Hysel And Hillsbrough Tragedies As Yobs.

But A Point Aside That, Why Don't You Want To See Liverpool In The C.l. I Know Perhaps Alot Of Mancs And Cockney's Woudn't Want To See It But We Are The Defending Champions. A Few Years Back Real M. Won The C.l. And Finised Outside The Top 4; And The Fourth Place Team, Real Zaragoza, Were Put In The Uefa Cup.

Rafa Summed It Up When He Said: "Winning the Champions League with Liverpool was the biggest night of my life in football. It was fantastic. The champions must defend the title. I was thinking the other day that if you go to play the European Super Cup and play the Inter-Continental Cup and you are not in the Champions League that is not common sense."

[Gazz....]

so come on what are ya , either a very jealous manc twat or a very jealous blue ****e either way i dont give a **** ahahahahahahahaha,


Everton are going to embarrass themselves in the champs league , lol

[NoiToLiverpool]

It's like I said in my original message, I am in principle in favour of teams defending cups won but never before have rules been changed retrospectively. There are plenty of other examples where Champions are denied the opportunity to defend their crown.
If Liverpool are admitted now then another team/s loses out in some way at this late stage. UEFA should change the rules from next season.
Liverpool the Club, People & the City despite what the Sun Newspaper reported after Hillsborough have not suffered damaged repuation & to this day & previously back to their dominant era enjoy favour from the media as a whole. No other club would have such media backing campaigning on their behalf.

[Gazz....]

so you dont follow a football team you just want to see the law upheld is that it?
Personally unless you or whoever has some direct grievence with liverpool fc it should not matter if they play in the C/L next season or not.

I am a mad liverpool fan but really i dont care if we are not in the thing next season or not purely because we have just won it and the whole footballing world knows that raffa is doing big things at anfield (well everyone except Josh that is)and will have no trouble signing the players he wants so IN or OUT makes no diff to me.
Personally i like letter on 365 which says give arsenals spot to liverpool because arsenal never do **** all in the champs league and wont be missed

And i certainly dont and never have thought that Liverpool get pro media bias ever

[NoiToLiverpool]

A lucky, scratchy route through to the Champions League Final......... 14 Defeats in the Premiership & a pathetic exit out of the FA Cup are NOT proof of 'Raffa doing big things' !!
He may sign good players he's worked with or knows from Spain but Liverpool will not buy any of the World's top players.
If Liverpool are offering Traore a new deal, Raffa should learn the saying........'You can't polish a turd !!'

[Gazz....]

so come on einstein who do you support you ***in jealous miser????
lmao ahahahahahaha

[Gazz....]

And we must be the luckiest team of the decade to draw juventus ,chelsea and ac milan and then the luckiest team of the century to actually go 7 seven games undefeated and knock them all out ahahahahaha
blow it out of your ass arse wipe!!!
ahahahahahahahaaha lmao

3-0 down at half time to the by most experts opinion best team in europe and comeback and win it and you still hold a grudge on us and say we are lucky you can go **** yourself

[NoiToLiverpool]

For all your bluster !! You know how LUCKY Liverpool were !! & how average the team truly is. It was a massive FLUKE & FLUKES do happen as proved by Monaco getting to final last year & Leverkusen a couple of years before. You are entitled to enjoy your FLUKE but don't embarrass yourself by pretending it was anything else but !!

[Gazz....]

why dont you reveal yourself COME ON TOSS POT who do you support manc **** or blue ****e i know its 1 or the other anyway your the one embarrassing yourself coming on here like your some neutral fan that just thinks its unfair to change the rules now and all the media hype, what a load you are a disgruntled prob toffee fan who hasnt the balls to reveal who he or she supports i think your a female because you have no balls, and i could never embarrass myself when it comes to LIVERPOOL F.C. the MOST successfull and respected name in ENGLISH FOOTBALL.

I FELT THE POWER OF ANFIELD IT WAS AWESOME - jose mourinho

[YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE1]

Am Sorry Mate It Looks As Tho You Fighting A Lost Cause, I Remember Watching Sky Sports News The Other Day And Lots Of Fans, Were E-mailing In To Offer Support And To Say That The C.l. Last Wed Was The Greatest Come Back They'd Ever Seen; Thats Not To Say The Whole Country Wants Us In, But Then Again The Vast Majority Would Like Us To Be.

If Not For Liverpool You Should Back Them As Its To The Benefit Of The English Game, Only Postives Can Come From This.

[NoiToLiverpool]

'The C.l. Last Wed Was The Greatest Come Back They'd Ever Seen'..........
Thats irrelevant! Qualification criteria @ beginning of last season should be adhered to. UEFA should change the rules of qualification for future seasons. Like I've already said rules don't get changed retrospectively. I do believe they wrongly will be though this time as Liverpool have always received preferential treatment by the English media who are creating a frenzy they would never create for another club.
After Heysel Liverpool should have alone received a ban & not all clubs. Arsenal & Everton paid an unfair price but who cared that they were denied what they deserved ?

[Sally]

I Don't like Liverpool, obviously but they should be in it, surely? :-P

[Josh_Man_Utd]

I've already said my point of view on this, I thought besides Chelsea and Milan Liverpool were kinda lucky in the CL this season but then again all teams need a bit of luck, look at Utd in 99 as an example. I couldn't contemplate how Liverpool were Euro Champions, 30 something points behind Chelsea it just didn't make sense, but after that game against Milan, surely no one can say they didn't deserve it, that was phenomenal! Yes I walked out of the pub with a frown but I have to hold my hands up and say they deserved it!

In terms of them getting into the CL next season, I don't think they should be because rules are rules but I also think the rule is completely ridiculous, like a lot of rules (players getting booked for taking their shirts off in celebration etc etc.) I honestly believe a load of old farts who have no interest in football think of rules they can make up to **** people off, and it ruins the game sometimes! I think they should chnage the rules for next season but rules are rules, and for this reason Liverpool shouldn't be allowedin next season!

[YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE1]

Explain To Me How We Were 'lucky' In The C.l.?

The Group Stages - Yes We Were Rather Lucky Going Through With Just 4 Mintues Left.

Bayer L - Battered Them - We Won 6-2 On Agg.

Juve - Battered Them In The 1st Half At Anfield {won 2-1 On The Night} And Then Players Like Carra Defended Out Of Their Socks Over There. We Went Through 2-1 On Agg.

Cheski - Yes A Bit Lucky With The Goal, But Then Again To Be Honest It Shouldn't Have Stood Because The Lines Man Couldn't See It Properly And When In Doubt You Shouldn't Give It; Like Utd. Again Spurs.

But On The Other Hand Cech Took Baros Down, That Should Of Been A Pen In The First Place.

Milan - Great Show Of Character To Come Back From 3 Down And Yes A Bit Lucky In Doing So.

But How Can A Utd. Fan Call Us Lucky After You's Scored Twice In 2 Mins To Beat Bayer M!

[Sally]

Sorry I'm United through and through, but I'm with the Liverpool fans on this, if we were in their position we'd feel just the same. Champions should defend there title. All this talk of how many points behind etc it's more of an argument for them not being in it in the first place but they were and they won it. :razz:

[MANCITY4EVA]

Not to get involved in this but i think Liverpool should be invited back in, the champions league is a great compation and altho i doubt Liverpool will win it again, i think they should be allowed back in. I cant see why everyone is arguing because its good for the english game, it reflexs well on our league with 5 teams in, better chance of another english team winning it. So i agree with ynwa; as their can be only postives for the rest of us and to expand would than mean england gets a higher amount because we've got more teams - would the fa recieve more because of it?

[Bred for red]

Who benefits from Liverpool being allowed to defend old big ears?
(1)Liverpool for starters, and rightly so. They have deserved it.
(2)English football, would have an un-precedented 5 representitives in the Champions league. A good advert for the Premiership.
(3)The television companies would be chomping at the bit, for a chance of covering the progress of the holders. Who knows? They may meet AC Milan on route!
(4)The fans accross the whole of Europe, everyone wants to see the holders knocked out at some stage. That's human nature for you!
(5)The compitition itself will be seriously de-valued without Liverpool, and the whole tournamant from start to finish will be over-shadowed with endless discussion on their absence.
(6)A new English club would be drafted into the Uefa cup, I believe Man City if I'm not mistaken. Good for Man City and again good for the English game.
(7)Allowing Liverpool to defend their trophy would prove that the powers that be, have both the ability and forsight to adapt to un-forseen situations for the good of the game. Ask any modern day buissnes manager how important it is to be adaptable and bold in decision making and they will tell you.

[Josh_Man_Utd]

Explain To Me How We Were 'lucky' In The C.l.?

The Group Stages - Yes We Were Rather Lucky Going Through With Just 4 Mintues Left.

Bayer L - Battered Them - We Won 6-2 On Agg.

Juve - Battered Them In The 1st Half At Anfield {won 2-1 On The Night} And Then Players Like Carra Defended Out Of Their Socks Over There. We Went Through 2-1 On Agg.

Cheski - Yes A Bit Lucky With The Goal, But Then Again To Be Honest It Shouldn't Have Stood Because The Lines Man Couldn't See It Properly And When In Doubt You Shouldn't Give It; Like Utd. Again Spurs.

But On The Other Hand Cech Took Baros Down, That Should Of Been A Pen In The First Place.

Milan - Great Show Of Character To Come Back From 3 Down And Yes A Bit Lucky In Doing So.

But How Can A Utd. Fan Call Us Lucky After You's Scored Twice In 2 Mins To Beat Bayer M!

I said u were lucky in certain games but u deserved it, u jump to conclusions sometimes, and if you'd have read my entire post you will have seen that i admitted utd were lucky in 99. Jesus Christ ur thick, read my entire post before jumping to stupid conclusions!

[Angel]

Well we will see what happens with what Eufa say. Im asian but i dont support liverpool, true there are glory Hunters out der and it ****es me off!

[redpower]

The media's darlings have always been Manchester United. Occasionally a London club, Chelsea until Colegate, can do little wrong.

Here is why Liverpool should/will be entered into the CL.
1) Money. UEFA held this year's final in a ****hole. Only the large number of reds fans saved UEFA from embarrassment.
2)Money. Sponsors/UEFA want to see stadiums full of passionate fans.

Rules have little to do with it. If all the sponsors demand it, Liverpool will enter the CL

[Bred for red]

I agree with Redpower, that Utd have always been the media faves, but then they say everyone likes a loser, so that's understandable. Prior to the semi final second leg with Chelski, you could count on one finger the amount of times ITV 1 covered Liverpools progress in Europe. I should imagine they were heartbroken when Liverpool sent Chelski crashing from the tournamant and they knew that they had to follow Liverpool to Istanbul. Effort !

[redpower]

Since the Munich air crash the media has always had a soft spot for United.
Anyone who read newspaper in the late 70s and 80s would have thought that Liverpool were lucky to win the league almost every year. At the beginning of the season it was often "This is United's year".

[Bred for red]

Well they say 'don't believe everything you read in the newspapers'. That must be why!

[Bred for red]

It's starting to look good for Liverpool now that Ueffa President, Johannsen has said that he believes they should be in it from the start. Fair enough, if we have to trapse around all the dung heaps of europe playing dozens of easy games against all the minnow clubs like Everton, then so be it. So long as the Champions are in it !

[redpower]

Actually, I think Liverpool should decline the offer, if it is to start in July. We are the Champions of Europe!! If anyone should be qualifying from July it should be Everton.

[YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE1]

Rules Are Rules, We Can't Be Picking When We Feel Like Playing, There No Point In Discussing If We Should Or Shouldn't Have To Play In July Because Techinally We Should'nt Even Be In The Champions League Because We Finished 5th And Outside The Qualifation Places.

[Bred for red]

There's no harm in entering in the early stages, it will allow any new players to be eased into the Liverpool way of playing before the Prem kicks off!

[Gooner_4_Life]

[QUOTE=YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE1]Well Yer The Kop Is Full Of Paki's And Asians, QUOTE]

Sorry, does anyone else have a problem with this. YNWA, I thought you were quite a funny bloke but racism is an ugly thing mate. Usually stems from low self esteem and the inability to better yourself. Unfortunately it is people like you that create a negative stereotype for folk like scausers. A lot of my mates are scausers and hate the fact that everyone thinks of them as thieves and racist pieces of ****. You are the cause of this. Think aout it.

[YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE1]

It Was Only A Joke; Am Not A Rasict Person. I Was Stating A Fact, Anfield Is Now A Multi-cultural Ground; But Perhaps I Shouldn't Of Used The Word 'paki'. Apologies To Indian's Am Not A Racist Person. I Like Indian Food.

I Know Racist Isn't Funny, But What I Don't Understand Is That Its Awful To Skit Forgieners But Its Ok To Have A Go At The Liverpudlian Sterotype.

[cloughie55]

It's like I said in my original message, I am in principle in favour of teams defending cups won but never before have rules been changed retrospectively. There are plenty of other examples where Champions are denied the opportunity to defend their crown.
If Liverpool are admitted now then another team/s loses out in some way at this late stage. UEFA should change the rules from next season.
Liverpool the Club, People & the City despite what the Sun Newspaper reported after Hillsborough have not suffered damaged repuation & to this day & previously back to their dominant era enjoy favour from the media as a whole. No other club would have such media backing campaigning on their behalf.

There has only been one **** up that is the one the FA has done jelly brain. UEFA has its rules for its competitions that have not been carried out by the FA. The same rules that the spanish FA carried out. The champions have and will defend their trophy. It is Liverpool that have been harshly treated they should have been entered straight into the qualifying stages. The FA will not make the mistake they made this year again.
The media supported Liverpool because of the stance the FA took that contradicted UEFA rules.

[cloughie55]

Rules Are Rules, We Can't Be Picking When We Feel Like Playing, There No Point In Discussing If We Should Or Shouldn't Have To Play In July Because Techinally We Should'nt Even Be In The Champions League Because We Finished 5th And Outside The Qualifation Places.
If LIverpool won Europe and finished fifth again, they would enter the competition at worst in the last round of qualifications (3rd) round. So technically speaking liverpool should in the champiions league, thankyou very much.

[cloughie55]

[QUOTE=YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE1]Well Yer The Kop Is Full Of Paki's And Asians, QUOTE]

Sorry, does anyone else have a problem with this. YNWA, I thought you were quite a funny bloke but racism is an ugly thing mate. Usually stems from low self esteem and the inability to better yourself. Unfortunately it is people like you that create a negative stereotype for folk like scausers. A lot of my mates are scausers and hate the fact that everyone thinks of them as thieves and racist pieces of ****. You are the cause of this. Think aout it.


i agree with you. how can you discriminate against your own fans.