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Damn this site seems to have no members, i found it only a couple of days ago and it follows the same format as other message boards i'm on that have many members and new posts on a daily basis. I posted about 15 posts last friday and as of yet, nobody's responded to any of 'em, damn what's happened everybody?
josh , obviously being a man utd supporter you do not think much of LIVERPOOL.FC
but to say they are not a BIG CLUB, is a joke , LFC are one of the biggest clubs in europe. most of your comments i've read on this forum are sensible and unbiased. Just remember that Manchester United didn't win the title for 26 years but were still a big club. Unless you want to change the name of your club to Ferguson UTD, you have to remember that your club was formed long before 1992.
Yes houllier bought some crap players , but ferguson is as guilty as anyone at buying crap, infact its been one of his downfalls , he has wasted millions on some real tripe, and when you look at what he has spent 1 fa cup in the last 2 seasons is not something I would call sucess
Take the blinkers of buddy and have a proper look.
Liverpool are a big club but yet not as big as Man Utd, simple as that! Man Utd went 26 years without winning the title, even got relegated and still attracted the largest crowds of any team in England, that speaks volumes not just about being the biggest club but also having the greatest fans!Originally Posted by Gazz....
Ferguson has made some crap buys I acknowledge that but not on the scale of Houllier, I mean at least Ferguson has also done some good deals, Cantona, Solskjaer, Smith etc, yet no Houllier business deals spring to mind!
Plus I realise that Utd were formed long before Alex Ferguson came around and much of the club's history was long before Fergie but the success of the man cannot be matched, he is the greatest manager in English football EVER if you look purely at trophies won in time periods.
1 FA cup in 2 years is pretty crap for a team like us, but so is 1 premiership in 15 years is it for Liverpool (or is it more?) but I take back what I said about Liverpool not being a big club and I will say they are 'big but not as big as Man Utd' and referring to Shaun Wright-Phillips which is probably what you were referring to, I will say surely he wants to join a 'top' club, there u are ha ha!
sorry josh but you are wrong on a couple of points,
bob paisley won 14 trophies in 9 years at liverpool , 6 league titles and 3 european cups among them , if you look at time frames fergie is not in the race . fergie is a great manager but the fact that he can not conquer europe is his major down fall .
he has won 1 european cup in 18 years how can you say he's the best.
i can live with the fact that fergie has only taken you to the summit of europe once in all that time but i don't think he can or his fans.
You can keep believeing your delusional thoughts of fergie and man utd being the greatest but facts are facts buddy.
again i say to you take off the blinkers
As for fans and attendances liverpool have been trying to extend anfield for donkeys years why do you think we are building a new anfield, because no one around the ground will sell.
As for the fans prawn sandwiches at old trafford come to mind , and thats comming from one of your greatest players.
At anfield the KOP end is one of the most famous terraces in world football with the one of the most passionate sets of fans around.
OK so Bob Paisley won more trophies I can accept that and from that standpoint, he was the better manager, I didn't realise that but I agree with you. However the key word in that sentence is 'was', Liverpool fans are living in the past, they constantly talk about how they have won more european cups than man utd but they haven't won it since the 80's, if you are a top club like you claim why can't you win the premiership or even get into the top three?
Besides the point of Bob Paisley being the better manager which I accept, none of the other stuff makes me feel any differently. The prawn sandwiches was a funny comment and sometimes OT does lack a bit of atmosphere but it doesn't detract from the fact that it still attracted more fans than any other team when Utd went 26 yrs without winning a trophy!
On the point of fans I would like to bring another point to your attention, in the San Siro a few weeks back we were beaten by an excellent Milan side and they played brilliantly and deservedly beat us and our fans clapped for them when the game had ended despite the fact that they had had missiles thrown at them throughout the game by the Milan lot! And how often do you see fans at OT near the touchline sticking their fingers up or mouthing off the opposition players when the ball goes out? look out for it next time you see a game at OT, the amount of times you see it compared to those at not just Anfield but other football grounds around the country is minimal!
Yet despite these facts you claim to have better fans than us? You are all in support of Rafael Benitez despite the fact that the maximum position you are going to finish this season will be 4th and you will probably see that as success! In all honesty Gerard Houllier was more successful last season than Benitez has been this season yet when Houllier was in charge, all radio phone-ins around the country were dominated by moaning scousers! Claiming liverpool have better fans than Man Utd is like saying that Luke Chadwick used to be a glamour model, it just ain't true and that's a fact!
Sorry for the long post and I realise some people probably won't want to read it all but there are just a few points I had to address plus I apprecaite having an intelligent discussion with someone on this forum about football. In all fairness me and you could argue for hours and still not persuade each other that each other's team was the bigger and better club! Liverpool and Man Utd are far and away the most successful English club sides of all time although Man Utd's success has been more recent than Liverpool's! Damn my fingers are tired after writing that post!
Liverpool are the best!!! bigger than Man u our strike and midfield is probably one of the best its probably the best our midfield and strike!!!
yes, you clearly know what ur talking about (high degree of sarcasm!) First off Liverpool don't have the best midfield or strikeforce and if they did why are they not in the top three and don't look like being anytime soon! Plus this comment has no relevance to the discussion in any way, shape or form, please read the rest of the posts before you make a ridiculous comment like that!
josh, rafa benitez has been at liverpol for 8 months hardly enough time to say whether he is better than houllier or not.
benitez has to be given time to buy the players he wants and get rid of the one's he doesn't. We have had an amazing amount of injuries , ciisse ,alonso baros, kewell, hamman, kirkland, pongolle mellor etc, i think rafa has done very well to have us in the postion were in considering . i mean we have played 4 or 5 games without a recognised striker on the field,.
And what we are achieving in europe this season proves to me that he has the nouse to turn us back into a major force.We wern't supposed to make the knock out stage never mind be on the verge of a semi final.
If the board give him some money to buy the players he wants then i have no doubt when the team he builds gels it will be a very very good one.
I say judge him in 2 seasons from know and then say who is the better manager.
benitez is the better manager, no doubt about that, his achievements at valencia prove that, I was merely questioning Liverpool fans not complainig this season even though they have not been anymore successful than they were last season (champions league aside!) The point you make about injuries is true but top teams have good enough squads to make it through difficult periods! I agree about giving him time to adjust and am not questioning his abilities as a manager in the slightest, I am merely confused by the fact that Liverpool fans think they have the best midfield and strikeforce in the premiership, yet the highest they are going to finish this season is 4th! But you said about giving him time to purchase players he wants, well hasn't he already bought Alonso for £10m, Cisse for £13m, Garcia (don't know how much), Morientes for £3m or £4m was it plus Pellegrino and Nunez, while the latter 2 aren't probably going to be first-team regulars thats 4 other players you have there, a third of a team, altho' I realise Cisse and Alonso have had major injuries! Anyway we'll see if Benitez has what it takes to win the title, no doubt Liverpool will win it 1 of these days but I can't see it being any time soon, 'specially with the way Chelsea are goin at the min.
I would just like to remind all Liverpool fans that the last time they won the league was 1990, and also of their ridiculous 'treble'. That truly showed what a sad club they have become, claiming they had emulated Utd's treble of 99 by winning the League Cup, FA Cup & UEFA Cup, v sad club indeed!
i have never heard any lfc fan say that the 5 trophies we won in 2001 were emulating utd's 1999 treble. by the way there is no such thing as a ridiculous treble, any club would be happy to win the FA ,EUFA and LEAGUE CUP IN 1 season , liverpool also did another treble in 1984 when they won the CHAMPIONSHIP, EUROPEAN CUP AND THE LEAGUE CUP.
utd's treble in 99 was a great achievement and although it was somewhat fortuatist they won it and that is all that matters so contratulations to them
Liverpool won the championship and european cup in 1977 but were beaten by united in the FA Cup Final , so we have won all the trophies many times over but sometimes luck has not been on our side when we needed it. United's winnig goal in 77 cup final took a wicked deflection of our defender and cost us the treble but hey thats football.
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