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[Josh_Man_Utd]

i have never heard any lfc fan say that the 5 trophies we won in 2001 were emulating utd's 1999 treble. by the way there is no such thing as a ridiculous treble, any club would be happy to win the FA ,EUFA and LEAGUE CUP IN 1 season , liverpool also did another treble in 1984 when they won the CHAMPIONSHIP, EUROPEAN CUP AND THE LEAGUE CUP.
utd's treble in 99 was a great achievement and although it was somewhat fortuatist they won it and that is all that matters so contratulations to them
Liverpool won the championship and european cup in 1977 but were beaten by united in the FA Cup Final , so we have won all the trophies many times over but sometimes luck has not been on our side when we needed it. United's winnig goal in 77 cup final took a wicked deflection of our defender and cost us the treble but hey thats football.

Well I have heard many Liverpool fans suggesting their 'treble' of 2001 was in the same league as Utd's, you clearly though are an intelligent fan who knows what you are talking about unlike a lot of other scousers! And I'm sorry but there is such a thing as a ridiculous treble when you win the three cups you did in 2001. Top clubs aren't in the UEFA Cup for starters because they are in the Champions League, they play their younger teams in the League Cup to give them experience and don't particularly mind if they are knocked out as it means less games and the FA Cup is perhaps the exception, although it is nothing like as big as what it used to be and the Premiership and Champions League are MUCH more important to the top clubs than the FA Cup! And I'm sorry but you can talk about luck all day but luck evens itself out over a period of time and that is no way to compare your achievents to Utd's!

[Gazz....]

well maybe i 'shouldn't talk of luck utd's treble was a great achievement, in regards to your ridulous treble statement, even though liverpool fc haven't won the league title or european cup for a fair while what they have done is consistently win other trophies , the fa cup , eufa cup and the league cup, now what this proves is that liverpool have not been the best team in england for some time but it also proves that they have still been performing at a high level . When liverpool dominated the 70's and 80's man utd were not in the euro cup because you had to be champions to be in it , but they were in the eufa cup on a regular basis and how many eufa cups did utd win in this time zero, by the way the few times we didn't finish champions and could only manage 2nd which put us in the eufa cup we won it twice. also utd put out a full strength side when chelsea knocked them out at old trafford this season in the league cup . so really your agument can only be based on the league cup because any team in a euro competition sets out to win it based on 1, because it is a european trophy and 2, purely on a revenue basis winning the eufa cup is worth about 5 million to a club maybe more if you include attendances. And we all know that every team in england wants to be in cardiff come may. A ridiculous treble I think not. and I would take any treble over 1 fa cup any day an so would you
i bet the blue half of manchester partied long into the night knocking of the reds and watching man utd's demise at norwich

[Josh_Man_Utd]

in regards to your ridulous treble statement

there was nothing ridiculous about the statement, when an average person talks about the 'treble' referring to football they are referring to winning the top three cups on offer for english clubs every season, these being the Premiership, FA Cup and European Cup

even though liverpool fc haven't won the league title or european cup for a fair while what they have done is consistently win other trophies

What the League Cup and FA Cup, hardly anything to brag about mate!

now what this proves is that liverpool have not been the best team in england for some time but it also proves that they have still been performing at a high level

Yes but you claim to be a bigger club than Man Utd, to back that up by saying over the past 10 years we've consistently won the League and FA Cup is ridiculous!

they were in the eufa cup on a regular basis and how many eufa cups did utd win in this time zero by the way the few times we didn't finish champions and could only manage 2nd which put us in the eufa cup we won it twice

Firstly its uefa cup not eufa cup and secondly you brag about winning the UEFA Cup like winning it makes you a good team. Plus throughout this discussion, you are spending most of your time talking about Liverpool's achievements in the 70's and 80's, you should get with the times! You are like all other Liverpool fans in that you brag about your achievements of the 70's and 80's, you haven't won the title since 1990, move on!

also utd put out a full strength side when chelsea knocked them out at old trafford this season in the league cup

Thats because it was a case of pride, Chelsea beat us on the opening day of the season and Fergie wanted to get his own back. I can assure you that if it was another team besides Arsenal or Chelsea then Fergie would have put out a weaker side!

A ridiculous treble I think not. and I would take any treble over 1 fa cup any day an so would you i bet the blue half of manchester partied long into the night knocking of the reds and watching man utd's demise at norwich

To the first part of your sentence, Liverpool fans brag about their great team of the 70's and 80's, (admittedly probably the best english side ever) and your 'consistency' in winning FA Cups and League Cups and also about their 'treble' of 2001 consisting of UEFA cup, FA cup and League Cup. Yet Utd fans brag about their complete domination of the 90's, their recent achievements I must add, recent being the key word! Yes I admittedly would take a 'ridiculous' treble over one FA Cup. But I would also take one FA Cup and 3rd place over 5th place and a champions league quarter final! And on a final note I would like to add that the 'blue' half of Manchester would also be celebrating beating Liverpool, knocking them four points behind Everton in the 'chase for 4th spot' laughable that you are chasing 4th spot, haha! I also couldn't really care less what the blue half of Manchester think considering they haven't won a trophy in 29 years and they are an even sadder club than liverpool. If they beat Utd once during the course of the season then they consider their season to be a sucess, haha sad little club!

[Gazz....]

This bigger club mentallity you have , what are you basing the criteria on to be a bigger club, money, fans , history,
i personally don't think either man utd or liverpool are any bigger than the other, If you are talking about FANS then they are more or less equal in the fact that there are as many liverpool fans in liverpool as there are united fans around manchester, if you are talkin about world wide fans ( plastic supporters) then you have more but i dont no for how much longer because they are leaving utd for chelsea in there droves.It was said that when liverpool and everton played in the 1986 FA Cup Final there were 500,000 applications for tickets from merseyside alone.

MONEY, man utd have more money than liverpool but they had to sell there soul to get it, You are not even a football club anymore you are a plc, a money making machine for shareholders and open to hostile takeovers from anyone from anywhere, as much as your fans think they have a say in whether they sell or not is laughable if the right price comes in they will sell and will not give a flying about the fans

HISTORY, you say we liverpool fans are living in the past well if history counts for nothing why do we bother to count who has won what, if you do that then no club is bigger than any other club and man utd are the same as runcorn because on a we have won basis nothing counts and talking about the past your treble was 6 years ago and you have won nothing in europe since and utd should move on and think about winning another 1,you have slid domestically aswell you are not the no1 club in england like you were 4 or 5 years ago if you base history as nothing then chelsea are the no1 club in england.If you do count history then liverpool come out on top.

Liverpool are not rite up there atm but do you think we are going to slip into obscurity and become a mid table team i don't think so,United are not rite up there either they are well off chelsea's pace at present and you are starting to live on past glories,we are another step behind utd. We don't have chelsea's money and neither do you , but with the team utd have at present i think you or I could win them 1 trophy , If by the way you don't win a trophy this season which is a real possibility you would have to say that utd season will be a huge failure.

overall i would say that liverpool and man utd are both very big clubs and i would not consider 1 to be bigger than the other.

P.S , the reason fergie put out a full strength team against chelsea is because he knew this season was slipping away from him and any piece of silverware will do wen your season is goin down the gurgler

Know my fingers are gettin sore

[Josh_Man_Utd]

This bigger club mentallity you have , what are you basing the criteria on to be a bigger club, money, fans , history

Yes pretty much but what you have won recently has got to count towards it as well, I mean you could say Nottingham Forest were a big club cos they won back-to-back European Cups in the 80's but are now probably going to be relegated to Division 2!

If you are talking about FANS then they are more or less equal

Er... yeah right!

in the fact that there are as many liverpool fans in liverpool as there are united fans around manchester, if you are talkin about world wide fans ( plastic supporters)

To refer to world wide fans as plastic supporters is ridiculous. How many Utd fans from other countries do you know in person. The only difference is that they obviously can't attend local games, doesn't make them less important supporters!

then you have more but i dont no for how much longer because they are leaving utd for chelsea in there droves.

I'm sorry to say this Gazz, you strike me as quite a knowledgeable guy, but that is straight up bull****, what proof do you have for that hey? Just because Chelsea are gonna win the premiership and quite possibly the champions league doesn't mean that foreign fans are gonna stop supporting Utd! Utd went 26 years without winning the league and still had a huge following from abroad!

MONEY, man utd have more money than liverpool but they had to sell there soul to get it, You are not even a football club anymore you are a plc

Errr.... sell our soul, please explain! Man Utd do have more money, a lot of that is down to the following abroad, I don't see how this is selling your soul! We are not even a football club even more, what a load of bull, I can tell that your argument is getting desperate and you will find that Utd isn't exactly the only football club that is run as a plc! Football is a business these days Gazz and Liverpool should get with the times, or be left behind, well it appears they already have been!

as much as your fans think they have a say in whether they sell or not is laughable if the right price comes in they will sell and will not give a flying about the fans

So please explain to me what happened with BSkyB a few years back, one of the main reasons that deal didn't come off was due to the huge amount of pressure that supporters put on the club! Plus, I tell you what's laughable, thinking Utd fans live on past glories, coming from yourselves! Now that is hypocrisy in capital letters and bold print mate!

HISTORY, you say we liverpool fans are living in the past well if history counts for nothing why do we bother to count who has won what

I don't know you tell me! I talk about recent trophies won, as in the past 10 years or so! That is not history, thats just who's been a better team mate, your the one who talks about your achievements of the 70's and 80's, that is whats called living in the past!

your treble was 6 years ago and you have won nothing in europe since and utd should move on and think about winning another 1,you have slid domestically aswell you are not the no1 club in england like you were 4 or 5 years ago

I am moved on mate, the only reason I brought up the treble was because you keep talking about history! We have not been the best team in England for 2 years but you haven't been for 15 years, so I don't think you have much reason for talking about that!

if you base history as nothing then chelsea are the no1 club in england.If you do count history then liverpool come out on top.

The first part of your sentence is true, the second part however is not! Liverpool have a great history and are far and away the most successful British side ever (even tho' most of this was won 15-25 years ago!) However, it doesn't come close to that of Utd's, I'm not going to talk about it because my post will be 25 times longer than it already is, but you should check out a Utd history book sometime, I think your opinion may alter slightly

You know what Gazz, the reason me and you have a difference of opinion is simple, we support two different clubs with a unique and hugely successful history! We seriously could argue all day and not come to a conclusion, I'm not going to respond anymore because these posts are taking me an age to right but I have enjoyed the discussion with you, if only there could be more intelligent fans on the chat forum like yourself and less of the incredibly dumb and clueless lot, danyal etc.!

[Gazz....]

ok mate no probs, i enjoyed having this discussion with you, nice to talk to someone who actually knows what there on about, cos as you already know there's a lot of fans out there that don't, but yeah we could talk till were blue in the face and agree on very little when it comes to liverpool and man utd i think its got something to do with passion that.
Just remember getting to the top is the easy part its staying there thats the hard part.

p.s, i take it your not gunna post a gazz i hold up my hands thread about liverpool being good now juventus are out then . lol
cheers josh nice talkin